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In Search of a Lost People: Auschwitz-Birkenau and Back: Part 2B
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This Programme contains some very distressing descriptions of the systematic murder of Jewish People in the death camps!
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DUE TO THE LENGTH OF PART 2 A – PART 2 B IS A SEPARATE PODCAST THAT FOLLOWS THIS MONTH
In 2008 a friend Dave Traher and I visited Cracow:
We went there and came back, unlike so many people of Jewish descent


Day One: Visit to the Jewish Old Town in Cracow

The Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum is the resting place for some 1.5 million people, as the site once served as a concentration camp and extermination site of the European Jewish community during World War II. Today, Auschwitz-Birkenau is an important historical area, allowing visitors to reflect on the monumental horrors that occurred during the genocide.
The Basics
Auschwitz-Birkenau tours take visitors through some of the 13 surviving prison blocks that now feature museum exhibitions, many dedicated to victims and displaying documentary photographs and historical artifacts. In addition the main camp, a much larger camp called Birkenau (or Auschwitz II) sits about 1.25 miles (2 kilometers) to the west. This site has been left almost exactly as it was when the Nazis abandoned it at the end of the war, complete with gas chamber ruins, and is also considered a part of the UNESCO-listed Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum. An official visitor’s center can be found at the entrance to Auschwitz I.
The two sites are often visited together on group or private tours from Krakow Old Town, available in a number of languages and generally including transport between the memorial areas, plus hotel pickup and drop-off or airport transfers. It’s recommended that travelers allot about 90 minutes for each of the sites. A visit is also sometimes combined with a trip to the nearby Wieliczka Salt Mine.
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The Lost Jews of Europe: Part 2 A – Poland


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Poland, Czech Republic, Germany and Croatia are four European countries that I have visited in the past ten years and each has a story to tell of the tragic destruction of their Jewish communities. They were betrayed and destroyed by both the Nazis and their collaborators.
In my own personal background I have one Polish Jewish gradmother who was my mother’s mother. Mini Levitson moved to England as a young girl together with her family that included her grandmother. So as far as I know none of my direct close relatives from her family perished in the Holocaust. That of course does not mean that members of my extended Polish family did not die under the Nazis and their Polish collaborators.

My Mom – Annie Mechanic nee Abrahms
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Prior to WWII, one in ten Poles were Jewish, which made 10% of the polish population Jewish. The Pale of Settlement included Poland:
The Pale of Settlement (Russian: Черта́ осёдлости, chertá osyódlosti, Yiddish: דער תּחום-המושבֿ, der tkhum-ha-moyshəv, Hebrew: תְּחוּם הַמּוֹשָב, tẖum hammosháv) was a western region of Imperial Russia with varying borders that existed from 1791 to 1917, in which permanent residency by Jews was allowed and beyond which Jewish residency, permanent or temporary,[1] was mostly forbidden. Most Jews were still excluded from residency in a number of cities within the Pale as well. A limited number of Jews were allowed to live outside the area, including those with university education, the ennobled, members of the most affluent of the merchant guilds and particular artisans, some military personnel and some services associated with them, including their families, and sometimes the servants of these.
The Pale of Settlement included all of Belarus, Lithuania and Moldova, much of present-day Ukraine, parts of eastern Latvia, eastern Poland, and some parts of western Russia, roughly corresponding to the Kresy macroregion and modern-day western border of Russia. It extended from the eastern pale, or demarcation line, to the Russian border with the Kingdom of Prussia (later the German Empire) and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Furthermore, it comprised about 20% of the territory of European Russia and largely corresponded to historical lands of the former Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, Cossack Hetmanate, and the Ottoman Empire (with Crimean Khanate).
The Russian Empire in the period of the existence of the Pale was predominantly Orthodox Christian. The area included in the Pale, with its large Jewish, Uniate and Catholic populations, was acquired through a series of military conquests and diplomatic manoeuvres, between 1654 and 1815.
The end of the enforcement and formal demarcation of the Pale coincided with the beginning of the First World War, and ultimately with the February and October Revolutions of 1917, i.e., the fall of the Russian Empire.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement]
Though Jewish life in Poland was at times turbulent and difficult for its Jewish population prior to WWII, there was never an attempt to systematically annihilate its Jewish population as the was promulgated by the Nazis. What is tragic is the many Polish citizens collaborated with the Nazis, as was the case with Ustasha in Croatia. However, far fewer devout Catholics were willing to participate in the Nazi genocide and a much higher percentage actively protected and hid Jewish people during those dark days. This included, priests, nuns and Catholic lay folk.
The Catholic Church in Poland was brutally suppressed by the Nazis during the German Occupation of Poland (1939-1945). Repression of the Church was at its most severe in Polish areas annexed by Nazi Germany, where churches were systematically closed and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported. From across Poland, thousands of priests died in prisons and concentration camps; thousands of churches and monasteries were confiscated, closed or destroyed; and priceless works of religious art and sacred objects were lost forever. Church leaders were targeted as part of an overall effort to destroy Polish culture. At least 1811 Polish clergy died in Nazi concentration camps. An estimated 3000 clergy were killed in all. Hitler’s plans for the Germanization of the East saw no place for the Christian Churches.[1]
The massive crimes inflicted against Polish Catholicism took place in the wider context of the Nazi crimes against Poles under Generalplan Ost, as the German regime implanted a general policy of eventually eliminating Poland’s existence. Adolf Hitler himself remarked in August 1939 that he wanted his Death’s Head forces “to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language.”[2]
Catholicism had a presence in Poland stretching back almost 1,000 years.[3] The historian Richard J. Evans wrote that the Catholic Church was the institution that, “more than any other had sustained Polish national identity over the centuries”.[4] By 1939, around 65% of Poles professed to be Catholic.[3] The invasion of predominantly Catholic Poland by Nazi Germany in 1939 ignited the Second World War. Britain and France declared war on Germany as a result of the invasion, while the Soviet Union invaded the Eastern half of Poland in accordance with an agreement reached with Hitler. The Catholic Church in Poland was about to face decades of repression, both at Nazi and Communist hands.[5]
Soviet Prime Minister Vyacheslav Molotov signs the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Behind him stand (left) German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop and (right) Joseph Stalin.
Nazi Germany invaded Poland from the West on 1 September 1939 and a period of brutal occupation commenced. Racist Nazi ideology targeted the Jews of Poland for extermination and categorized ethnic Poles (mostly Catholics) as an inferior race. Jews were rounded up into Ghettos or sent to extermination camps. The ethnic Polish intelligentsia were also targeted for elimination, with priests and politicians alike murdered in a campaign of terror. Forced labour was also extensively used. The Red Army invaded Poland from the East on 17 September 1939.[6]The Soviets were also responsible for repression of Polish Catholics and clergy, with an emphasis on “class enemies”. Operation Barbarossa, the German attack on the Soviet Union was launched in June 1941, shattering the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact, and bringing Eastern Poland under Nazi domination.[7] Norman Davies wrote:[8]
Jews and Poles faced a common enemy through the Nazi onslaught
The Nazi plan for Poland entailed the destruction of the Polish nation. This necessarily required attacking the Polish Church, particularly in those areas annexed to Germany.[9] According to Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw, in his scheme for the Germanization of Eastern Europe, Hitler made clear that there would be “no place in this utopia for the Christian Churches”.[1] Historically, the Catholic Church had been a leading force in Polish nationalism against foreign domination, thus the Nazis targeted clergy, monks and nuns in their terror campaigns to eliminate Polish culture. Nazi ideology was hostile to Christianity and Hitler held the teachings of the Catholic Church in contempt. Hitler’s chosen deputy and private secretary, Martin Bormann, was firmly anti-Christian as was the official Nazi philosopher, Alfred Rosenberg. In his “Myth of the Twentieth Century“, published in 1930 Rosenberg wrote that the main enemies of the Germans were the “Russian Tartars” and “Semites”—with “Semites” including Christians, especially the Catholic Church:





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In Search of a Lost People – Part 2 B
Due to the length of Part 2 A – Part 2 B is a separate Podcast that will follow next month
In 2008 a friend Dave Traher and I visited Cracow:
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Day One: Visit to the Jewish Old Town in Cracow

The Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum is the resting place for some 1.5 million people, as the site once served as a concentration camp and extermination site of the European Jewish community during World War II. Today, Auschwitz-Birkenau is an important historical area, allowing visitors to reflect on the monumental horrors that occurred during the genocide.
The Basics
Auschwitz-Birkenau tours take visitors through some of the 13 surviving prison blocks that now feature museum exhibitions, many dedicated to victims and displaying documentary photographs and historical artifacts. In addition the main camp, a much larger camp called Birkenau (or Auschwitz II) sits about 1.25 miles (2 kilometers) to the west. This site has been left almost exactly as it was when the Nazis abandoned it at the end of the war, complete with gas chamber ruins, and is also considered a part of the UNESCO-listed Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum. An official visitor’s center can be found at the entrance to Auschwitz I.
The two sites are often visited together on group or private tours from Krakow Old Town, available in a number of languages and generally including transport between the memorial areas, plus hotel pickup and drop-off or airport transfers. It’s recommended that travelers allot about 90 minutes for each of the sites. A visit is also sometimes combined with a trip to the nearby Wieliczka Salt Mine.
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At lunch time we went to the Ariel Jewish restaurant and I ordered a traditional Polish Jewish meal as did Dave. I asked the waiter if he was Jewish and he replied that he was not. I then enquired as to whether the owner was Jewish and he again said that he was not a Jew and nor was the chef – Yes a Jewish style restaurant, but no Jews were involved. This was symptomatic of the reality of Polands lost Jews. Shadows and memories of Polands tragic history.
On the Tuesday morning bright and early our tour coordinator picked us up at the hotel where Dave and I where we were staying. Together with four other British visitors we traveled the 40 miles to Auschwitz and joined a lager group of English speaking visitors.
Our tour guide for the morning at the main camp gave us each headsets so that we could listen to her commentary as we progressed through the concentration camp.
The Lost Jews of Europe: Part 1

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Poland, Czech Republic, Germany and Croatia are four European countries that I have visited in the past ten years and each has a story to tell of the tragic destruction of their Jewish communities. They were betrayed and destroyed by both the Nazis and their collaborators.
My intention is to explore the twin themes of hope and peace in the face of loss. Doom and gloom is never my objective, for like the Phoenix that rises out of the ashes, as with that legendary bird Jewish hope will arise and be reborn!

The Star of David like the Phoenix has arisen out of the ashes of the Shoah
Am Yisrael Chai – The People of Isreal live! Is not only a Jewish declaration of national survival, but also the acclamation that despite all those who have sought to destroy us we live and reserve the right to self-determination, both in Israel and the diaspora.
The Jews of Dubrovnik, Croatia
In this programme I focus upon the Jewish community of Dubrovnik, past and present.
Death Camps
Stand with me in Auschwitz or Auschwitz Birkenau extermination camps and cast your mind back to the absolute horror of the Nazi killing machine that took place in the Holocaust during WWII.
I have stood in a gas chamber and walked through a crematorium – though I had a momentary sense of what those who died there must have experienced in their last moments in the land of the living, it is impossible to truly know what they went through.


Dubrovnik, Croatia
In terms of the chronology of my visits, I begin with my last visit. It was some reservations that Elisheva and I decided to visit Croatia due to its history of Nazi sympathies leading up to and during WWII. However, on further reflection it occurred to me that this current generation can’t be held responsible for the sins of their fathers.
To my delight I discovered the synagogue in the Old City of Dubrovnik. On duty was a young woman who I will call Star (I have changed her name to protect her identity)
I asked Star how many Jews were killed in Croatia?
According to what was recorded:
Slavko Goldstein estimates that approximately 30,000 Jews were killed from the Independent State of Croatia, with approximately 12,790 of those killed in Croatia.
The Holocaust in the Independent State of Croatia – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › The_Ho…protect her identity.
Star explained that there are only 47 Jewish people living in Dubrovnik currently and prior to WWII there were about 90 Jewish people in that city which is a comparatively small population in this predominantly Catholic country.
I enquired as to what happened to the Jews of not only Dubrovnik, but Croatia as a whole?
Star explained that there were different groups in Croatia – those who collaborated with the Nazis and those partisans who defended the Jewish people and resisted fascism.
She then drew the Facist Ustaše symbol on a piece of paper and she explained that this symbol of hate still occasionally appears on subways walls and aother places and then she quickly scribbled it over.

Symbol of Hate

History of the Jews in Croatia
The Jewish community of Croatia dates back to at least the 3rd century, although little is known of the community until the 10th and 15th centuries. By the outbreak of World War II, the community numbered about 20,000[4] members, most of whom were killed during the Holocaust that took place on the territory of the Nazi puppet state called Independent State of Croatia. After World War II, half of the survivors chose to settle in Israel, while an estimated 2,500 members continued to live in Croatia.[2] According to the 2011 census, there were 509 Jews living in Croatia, but that number is believed to exclude those born of mixed marriages or those married to non-Jews. More than 80 percent of the Zagreb Jewish Community were thought to fall in those two categories.
World War II.
The Holocaust in the Independent State of Croatia refers primarily to the genocide of Jews, but sometimes also include that of Serbs (the “Serbian Genocide“) and Romani (Porajmos), during World War II within the Independent State of Croatia, a fascist puppet state ruled by the Ustashe regime, that included most of the territory of modern-day Croatia, the whole of modern-day Bosnia and Herzegovina and the eastern part of Syrmia (Serbia). 90% of Croatian Jews were exterminated in Ustashe-run concentration camps like Jasenovac and others, while a considerable number of Jews were rounded up and turned over by the Ustashe for extermination in Nazi Germany.
How many Jews were killed in Croatia?
Slavko Goldstein estimates that approximately 30,000 Jews were killed from the Independent State of Croatia, with approximately 12,790 of those killed in Croatia.
The Holocaust in the Independent State of Croatia – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › The_Ho…
History of the Jews in Croatia
The Jewish community of Croatia dates back to at least the 3rd century, although little is known of the community until the 10th and 15th centuries[when?]. By the outbreak of World War II, the community numbered approximately 20,000[4] members, most of whom were killed during the Holocaust that took place on the territory of the Nazi puppet state called Independent State of Croatia. After World War II, half of the survivors chose to settle in Israel, while an estimated 2,500 members continued to live in Croatia.[2] According to the 2011 census, there were 509 Jews living in Croatia, but that number is believed to exclude those born of mixed marriages or those married to non-Jews. More than 80 percent of the Zagreb Jewish Community were thought to fall in those two categories.
World War II.
The Holocaust in the Independent State of Croatia refers primarily to the genocide of Jews, but sometimes also include that of Serbs (the “Serbian Genocide“) and Romani (Porajmos), during World War II within the Independent State of Croatia, a fascist puppet state ruled by the Ustashe regime, that included most of the territory of modern-day Croatia, the whole of modern-day Bosnia and Herzegovina and the eastern part of Syrmia (Serbia). 90% of Croatian Jews were exterminated in Ustashe-run concentration camps like Jasenovac and others, while a considerable number of Jews were rounded up and turned over by the Ustashe for extermination in Nazi Germany.
Shoah
The fate of the Jews of Dubrovnik (Ragusan) during WWII deteriorated in April 1941 with the capitulation of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia when it became part of the ‘First Italian Zone,’ with the military forces under the Italians and the civil administration under Ustase a Facist ultranationalistic regime that in acted anti-Jewish measures.
We should note how the Facist Ustaše began to enact the Nazi dehumanising policy of isolating and restricting the Jewish population of not only Dubrovnik, but the whole of Croatia. They willing complied with the Nuremberg anti-Jewish laws, marking out Jewish enterprises.
Jews were-forbidden entry into restaurants and beaches and the were forced to display signs on their business firms and shops: ‘Jewish firms;’ and ‘Jewish shops.’
These measures grew in hostility and severity with Jews having to surrender their personal possessions – cars, lorries, motorcycles, radio sets, cameras, typewriters and general tools of their trade.
Curfews were imposed upon them that stipulated that they were not allowed to be outdoors beyond 8.00 p.m. This was followed by the first transport to concentration camps. Among the first victims were prominent Jews of Dubrovnik that included Joseph Berber a photographer, Joseph Fuch a shopkeeper, and merchant Klein. Of these three men only Fuchs survived. Jasenovac concentration camp was their destination.

Jewish families of Dubrovnik prior to 1941
Church Collaberated with Facists and Nazis

Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše covers the role of the Croatian Catholic Church in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH), a Nazi puppet state created on the territory of Axis–occupied Yugoslavia in 1941. The NDH was controlled by the Ustaše movement, which was not recognized by the Holy See, although the Holy See, more specifically Pope Pius XII, was criticized for not condemning the movement more timely and forcefully.
Mark Biondich notes that “[T]he younger generation of radical Catholics, particularly those of the crusader organisation, supported the Ustaša with considerable enthusiasm, while the older generation of Croat Populists [HSS] was more reserved and in some cases overtly hostile”.[9] This generational gap between conservative and radical Catholic priests was further reflected by region (urban vs rural), the geographical location of churches and bishoprics, and an individual priest’s relative place within the Church hierarchy. More senior clerics generally disassociated themselves from the NDH.[9] They were also divided by religious order. The Fransciscans, who had resisted for over fifty years Vatican efforts to turn over parishes to secular clergy,[10] were far more prominently associated with the Ustaša than were the Salesians.[9]Mass murder occurred through the summer and autumn of 1941. The first Croatian concentration camp was opened at the end of April 1941, and in June a law was passed to establish a network across the country, in order to exterminate ethnic and religious minorities.[11] According to writer Richard Evans, atrocities at the notorious Jasenovac concentration camp were “egged on by some Franciscan friars”.[11]Phayer wrote that it is well known that many Catholic clerics participated directly or indirectly in Ustaša campaigns of violence, as is attested in the work of Corrado Zoli (Italian) and Evelyn Waugh (British), both Catholics themselves.[12]A particularly notorious example was the Franciscan friar Tomislav Filipović, also known as Miroslav Filipović-Majstorović, known as “Fra Sotona” (“Friar Satan”), “the devil of Jasenovac”, for running the Jasenovac concentration camp, where estimates of the number killed range between 49,600 and 600,000.[13][14][15] According to Evans, Filipović led murder squads at Jasenovac. According to the Jasenovac Memorial Site, “Because of his participation in the mass murders in February 1942 the church authorities excommunicated him from the Franciscan order, which was confirmed by the Holy See in July 1942.”[16]He was also required to relinquish the right to his religious name, Tomislav. When he was hanged for war crimes, however, he wore his clerical garb.[17]Ivan Šarić, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Vrhbosna in Sarajevo, supported the Ustaša, in particular the forcible conversion of Orthodox Serbs to Roman Catholicism. His diocesan newspaper wrote: “[T]here is a limit to love. The movement of liberation of the world from the Jews is a movement for the renewal of human dignity. Omniscient and omnipotent God stands behind this movement.”[18] Šarić appropriated Jewish property for his own use, but was never legally charged. Some priests served in the personal bodyguard of Pavelić, including Ivan Guberina, a leader of the Croatian Catholic movement, a form of Catholic Action. Another priest, Bozidas Bralo, served as chief of the security police in Sarajevo, who initiated many anti-Semitic actions.[13]To consolidate Ustaša party power, much of the party work in Bosnia and Herzegovina was put in the hands of Catholic priests by Jure Francetić, an Ustaše Commissioner of this province.[19] One priest, Mate Mugos, wrote that clergy should put down the prayer book and take up the revolver. Another, Dionysius Juričev, wrote in the Novi list that to kill children at least seven years of age was not a sin.[13] Phayer argues that “establishing the fact of genocide in Croatia prior to the Holocaust carries great historical weight for our study because Catholics were the perpetrators and not, as in Poland, the victims.”[20]
Execution of prisoners at the Jasenovac concentration camp, which was briefly run by a Franciscan military chaplain, Miroslav Filipović, who was stripped of his status by the church but was hanged for his war crimes wearing his clerical garb.[1]Pavelić told Nazi Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop that while the lower clergy supported the Ustaše, the bishops, and particularly Archbishop Stepinac, were opposed to the movement because of “Vatican international policy”.[6]Along with Archbishop Stepinac, bishops Mišić and Rožman objected to the Ustaša violence.[18] Hebblethwaite wrote that to oppose the violence of the new Ustaše state, the “Vatican’s policy was to strengthen the hand of [Archbishop Stepinac] in his rejection of forcible conversions and brutalities.”[6]Phayer wrote that Stepinac came to be considered as jeudenfreundlich (Jew friendly) by the Nazi-linked Ustaše authorities. He suspended a number of priest collaborators in his diocese.[21] Thirty-one priests were arrested following Stepinac’s July and October 1943 explicit condemnations of race murders being read from pulpits across Croatia.[22] Historian Martin Gilbert wrote that Stepinac, “who in 1941 had welcomed Croat independence, subsequently condemned Croat atrocities against both Serbs and Jews, and himself saved a group of Jews”.[23] Aloysius Mišić, Bishop of Mostar, was a prominent resister.[18]Gregorij Rožman, the bishop of Ljubljana in Slovenia allowed some Jews who had converted to Catholicism and fled from Croatia into his diocese to remain there, with assistance from the Jesuit Pietro Tacchi Venturi in obtaining the permission of the Italian civil authorities.[24]In Italian-occupied Croatia, Nazi envoy Siegfried Kasche advised Berlin that Italian forces were not willing to hand over Jews and had “apparently been influenced” by Vatican opposition to German anti-Semitism. The intervention of Giuseppe Marcone, Pius XII’s Apostolic Visitor to Zagreb, saved a thousand Croatian Jews married to non-Jews.[4] The Apostolic delegate to Turkey, Angelo Roncalli, saved a number of Croatian Jews by assisting their migration to Palestine. Roncalli succeeded Pius XII as Pope, and always said that he had been acting on the orders of Pius XII in his actions to rescue Jews.[21]Yad Vashem has recognised 109 Croatians as Righteous among the Nations for rescuing Jews from the Holocaust, including Catholic nuns, Jožica Jurin (Sister Cecilija), Marija Pirović (Sister Karitas), and Sister Amadeja Pavlović, and a priest, Father Dragutin Jesih, who was murdered.[25][26][27]Archbishop Stepinac denounced the atrocities against the Serbs.[4] Phayer wrote that in July 1941, Stepinac wrote to Pavelić objecting to the condition of deportation of Jews and Serbs and then, realizing that conversion could save Serbs he instructed clergy to baptise people upon demand without the normal waiting time for instruction.[13] As Pavelić’s government cracked down on Serbs, along with the Jewish, Muslim, and Protestant Germanic minorities, the Catholic clergy took steps to encourage Orthodox Serbs to convert to Roman Catholicism.[28]![]()
Archbishop Aloysius Stepinac of Zagreb initially welcomed the Independent State of Croatia granted by Nazi Germany, but subsequently condemned the regime.
Archbishop Aloysius Stepinac of Zagreb was, at the time of his appointment in 1934 at the age of 39, the youngest Catholic bishop in the world. He initially received very little guidance from the Vatican and was given great leeway in how to deal with the rise of the Ustaše. His control over the lower bishops and clergy was not uniform.[13] Historian of the Holocaust Martin Gilbert wrote that, “Stepinac, who in 1941 had welcomed Croat independence, subsequently condemned Croat atrocities against both Serbs and Jews, and himself saved a group of Jews in an old age home”.[4]Stepinac shared the hope for a Catholic Croatia and viewed the Yugoslav state as “the jail of the Croatian nation”. The Vatican was not as enthusiastic as Stepinac and did not formally recognize the Ustaša, instead sending Giuseppe Ramiro Marcone as an apostolic visitor. Stepinac, who arranged the meeting between Pius XII and Pavelić, was satisfied with this step, viewing it as de facto recognition and Marcone as a nuncio in all but name.[5] Stepinac began attempting to publicly distance himself from the Ustaša in May 1941.[18]As the Ustaše murders “increased exponentially” in the summer and fall of 1941, Stepinac fell under “heavy criticism” for the church’s collaboration, but he was not yet prepared to break completely with the Ustaše. Phayer wrote that Stepinac gave the Ustaše the “benefit of the doubt …[and] decided on a limited response”.[34]Stepinac called a synod of Croatian bishops in November 1941. The synod appealed to Pavelić to treat Jews “as humanely as possible, considering that there were German troops in the country”.[34] The Vatican replied with praise to Marcone for what the synod had done for “citizens of Jewish origin”, although Israeli historian Menachem Shelah states that the synod concerned itself only with converted Jews.[34] Pius XII personally praised the synod for “courage and decisiveness”.[35] Shelach has written that:
According to scholar Ronald J. Rychlak:
Rychlak writes that the “Associated Press reported that ‘by 1942 Stepinac had become a harsh critic’ of the Nazi puppet regime, condemning its ‘genocidal policies, which killed tens of thousands of Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and Croats.’ He thereby earned the enmity of the Croatian dictator, Ante Pavelić … [When] Pavelić traveled to Rome, he was greatly angered because he was denied the diplomatic audience he had wanted”, although he enjoyed at least two “devotional” audiences with the pontiff, under whom the Vatican granted Pavelić “de facto recognition” as a “bastion against communism”. Phayer wrote that Stepinac came to be known as jeudenfreundlich (Jew friendly) to the Nazis and the Ustaše regime. He suspended a number of priest collaborators in his diocese.[21]Stepinac declared publicly in mid-1942 that it was “forbidden to exterminate Gypsies and Jews because they are said to belong to an inferior race”. When Himmler visited Zagreb a year later, indicating the impending roundup of remaining Jews, Stepinac wrote Pavelić that if this occurred, he would protest for “the Catholic Church is not afraid of any secular power, whatever it may be, when it has to protect basic human values”. When the deportations began, Stepinac and papal envoy Giuseppe Marcone protested to Andrija Artuković. According to Phayer, the Vatican ordered Stepinac to save as many Jews as possible during the upcoming roundup.[21] Although Stepinac reportedly personally saved many potential victims, his protests had little effect on Pavelić.[37]
A Dilema
The role of the church in the face of oppressive regeims is a very crucial and often not as staight forward as it first appears. Nationalism of itself is not a bad thing, but it depends on how that develops and what are its attitude towards diversity and particularly other groups of people living within the nation-state.
Brexit in the UK or Trump’s America both show how there are those who use nationalism to give expression to their own racist xenophobic attitudes. This is also true of Labour’s attitude to Israel and Jewish people in the UK under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership.
There are some who use Brexit to futher their racist agenda, just as in America under Trump, White Supremisits have been given licence to give expression to their hatred of African-Amerians and Hispanics in particular. Corbyn’s hatred of Israel equally has openned the door for those of the hard-left to not only express their opposition to Israeli policy towards the Palestinians, but also target Jews in Britain and Corbyn while claiming not to be an anti-Semite is hopelessly failing to protect Jewish people against all kinds of anti-Semitic attacks and this includes Jewish MPs in Labour and anyone who actively supports Israel or speaks out against his attitue towards Israel and Jews in general.
Both Archbishop Justin Welby of the Church of England and former Chief Rabbi Lord Jonathan Sacks have spoken out against Jeremy Corbyn’s failure to both condemn anti-Semitism in the Labour party and also distance himself from those who use the cloak of anti-Zionism as a guise to continue to attack British Jews and even question the loyalty of those who support Israel.
Theresa May has said she has been “sickened” by the fact that Jewish people are “fearful of the future” and warned that “you cannot claim to be tackling racism, if you are not tackling anti-Semitism.”
The Prime Minister said there were “no excuses for any kind of hatred towards the Jewish people” in her first comments after the row about anti-Semitism which has dogged Labour all summer.
You’re not tackling racism if you’re not tackling anti-Semitism, Theresa May warns Jeremy Corbyn
Mrs May told the United Jewish Israel Appeal dinner in London last night that “in the face of any kind of hatred against the Jewish people … I say with that same defiance: ‘Je suis juif’.”
Mrs May said she will stand “with our Jewish community by rooting out the scourge of antisemitism here in our own country…
In a news update on the web the other day I noticed that the Russian Orthodox Archbishops have broken ties with the Ukrainian Orthodox leadership, this is due to the worsening of the political relationship between Russia and the Ukraine. Once more we witness the fact that the Church has lost its prophetic voice and has bowed the knee to the political order of the day. The German Christians in Nazi Germany is the classic case where the Church became part of the Nazi regime giving it a theological justification for its devilish ideology in creating an Aryan Jesus who hated the Jews and became their enemy. Only the Confessing Church resited and stood against Nazism and its murder of the Jews.
Apartheid South Africa equally saw many Christian denominations develop a theology that supported Apartheid. Thankfully, this was not universal and particularly the Anglican Church (CPAS) and Roman Catholic Church spoke out against the racist ideology. There were also dissenting voices among Afrikaans Reform Churches as well as Methodist and Presbyterians who also spoke out against Apartheid. There were individual clergy who took a bold stand at great personal cost, these included Archbishops Joost de Blank and Desmond Tutu, Beyers Naudé, Ds. Ben Marais, Dr John W. de Gruchy, and Rev David Russell to mention some of the more pominant anti-Apartheid clegry. People like Dietrich Bonhoeffer were an inspiration in the struggle against apartheid.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer (4 February 1906 – 9 April 1945) was a German pastor, theologian, anti-Nazi dissident, and key founding member of the Confessing Church. His writings on Christianity’s role in the secular world have become widely influential, and his book The Cost of Discipleship has become a modern classic.[1]
Apart from his theological writings, Bonhoeffer was known for his staunch resistance to Nazi dictatorship, including vocal opposition to Hitler’s euthanasiaprogram and genocidal persecution of the Jews.[2] He was arrested in April 1943 by the Gestapo and imprisoned at Tegel prison for one and a half years. Later, he was transferred to a Nazi concentration camp. After being accused of being associated with the plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler, he was quickly tried, along with other accused plotters, including former members of the Abwehr (the German Military Intelligence Office), and then executed by hanging on 9 April 1945 as the Nazi regime was collapsing.

Righteous Among the Nations of Dubrovnik
In addition to people like Archbishop Aloysius Stepinac there were a number of outstanding people who went to great lengths to save the Jews of Dubrovnik and this includes Miho Ercegovic and his son Velimar, who worked in their photographic business – this included Elvira Kohn, Paula Rosenberger and her sister Eugenia. When they were exposed as Jews, the Ustase soldiers forced their way into the bookshop Jardan and photographic business and despite Miho brave effort, he was unable to prevent their arrest.

While being taken away Miho handed Elvira a Leica camera, and she enquired, “How shall I give it back to you?” Moho replied, “May the camera share your fate!” (p 106).
Leica camera
Evira was at first taken to the camp Kupari, and then to Rab. She managed to hide the camera and take photographs. When she escaped from the camp to the free territory and began to work as the first war photographer and reporter for the Vjesnikdaily news paper. Her photos proved a most valuable record (died 2003).
The concentration camps in the Independent State of Croatia are marked 1 through 40 on this map of concentration camps in Yugoslavia in World War II. The two camps in annexed territories are marked 54 and 55.
During World War II, there existed numerous Concentration camps in the Independent State of Croatia. Most were operated by the Croatian Ustašaauthorities, and some by Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.[1]The first concentration camps established by Ustaše chronologically preceded large German concentration camps like Auschwitz and Treblinka.[2]
| Camp | Location | Operational | number of prisoners | number of deaths |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jasenovac (I–IV) | Jasenovac, Slavonia | 23 August 1941–22 April 1945 | 100,000+ | c. 100,000[Note 1] |
| Stara Gradiška (Jasenovac V) | Stara Gradiška, Slavonia | 1941–1945 | 12,790+ | 9,586+ |
| Đakovo | Đakovo, Slavonia | 1 December 1941–7 July 1942 | 3,000 | at least 516 or 650 |
| Tenja | Tenja, Osijek, Slavonia | March 1942–August 1942 | 3,000 Jews | |
| Sisak | Sisak, Banovina | August 1942–January 1943 | 6,693 children, mostly Serbs | |
| Gospić | Gospić, Lika | June–August 1941[3] | 42,246[4] | |
| Jadovno | Gospić, Lika | 1941–August 1941[5] | 10,000–68,000 | |
| Lepoglava | Lepoglava, northern Croatia | 1941–1945 | 2,000+ political | |
| Danica | Koprivnica, northern Croatia | 15 April 1941–July 1941[6] | 5,600 | |
| Lobor | Lobor, northern Croatia | 9 August 1941–November 1942 | 2,000+ women and children, mostly Jews and Serbs | 200+ |
| Kerestinec | Kerestinec, Zagreb | 1941–1945 | ||
| Jastrebarsko | Jastrebarsko, Zagreb | 1942– | 1,500 children [7] | |
| Slana | Pag, Dalmatia | June 1941–August 1941[8] | 16,000 | 4–12,000 or 8,500 |
| Metajna | Pag, Dalmatia | 1941–1945 | ||
| Kruščica (Vitez) | Vitez, central Bosnia | 1941–Late September 1941[9] | 3000 |
Miho Ercergovic
He, together with all members of his family showed real selfless care for the imperiled Jewish people that they knew. Here is a record of what his son wrote reflecting on those years:
“My father was called ‘Jewish Mentor’ because he employed Jews. This is the truth, because there were Elvira Cohen, Janka Neumann and Harry Fischer who worked in the bookshop…, it was known as the bookshop ‘Jardan.’ It was shelter for all those who needed help to reach the island of Korcula in order to save their lives. The home of Ercergovic family became a refuge for the persecuted” (p 107).
“During the year 1943 I personally brought from Zagreb to Dubrovnik Sarika and Helga Weiss. We also his the mother and aunt of…(list various others)” (p 1070.
Miho Ercergovic and Velimir Ercergovic were honoured with the title “Righteous Among the Nations” in 1997. This is part of the effort of Vah V’Shem Holocaust Centre in Jerusalem, Israel
Elisheva and I were invited by a Dutch friend to attend a special ceremony at Yad V’shem, Jerusalem to honour Elizabet’s father Mr Vis (Fish) who was a Dutchman. When he was town clark during WWII in a small village in Holland he removed the names from the Town Hall records of the two hundred Jews who lived there and as a result the Nazis were not able to detect them and they eascaped the death camps. They placed a small memorial brick in a special wall at the Yad V’shem site, with Mr Vis’ name and dates.

Righteous Among the Nations
Families like that of Miho Ercergovic and Velimir Ercergovic stood out as a beacon of light and hope in a very dark chapter in the Jewish history of the community in Dubrovnik. They were not alone, as there were others who also endeavoured to save Jews from Facist Ustaše and the Nazis.
Blessed be their memory, for they are truly Righteous Among the Nation of Dubrovnik, Croatia.
The Jewish Community 1946. – 2018
The Dubrovnik Jewish community numbered 36 members who had survived the Holocaust. In 1986 that number fell to as few as 15 people and this followed a devastating short was when a coalition of the Yugoslav National Army, joined by a Montenegrin and Serbian paramilitary troops.
The first shell followed by a salvo of missiles hit Dubrovnik and the surrounding areas, as if to wipe out the memory and identity from living memory. The Dubrovnik synagogue took a hit as well during this vicious assault. As if the fragility of this small Jewish community was not already a further body blow?
However, returning to our theme of hope and peace and thinking of the image of the Star of David arising out of the ashes like the Phoenix, the Jewish presence has been reasserted.
“Yet nothing of the planned destruction of the cultural heritage and the erasure of the memory. After the war, bit by bit, the city was restored. Donators organised the restoration of the synagogue and provided the necessary support” (p 121).
Today the Jewish community is active and vital. In 2003 it opened a museum, in which visitors travel through time – from ancient times to the recent past. Up to 70,000 visitors a year visit the museum and synagogue.
Star explained that there are 47 active Jewish members of the Jewish community in Dubrovnik in 2018, and though they do not have a resident rabbi, they do meet together to celebrate their Jewish heritage, both religious and cultural significance.
They maintain a cadelstick of witness in Dubrovnik to Jewish life that continues to bear witness to the enduring love of the G_D of Israel.


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Apostasy

The subject of Apostasy can mean a number of different things in the context of varied religious groups.
For Jewish people becoming a follower of Yeshua is still considered by many as an act of apostasy and those who have become believers are referred to as meshumad – meshumadim (pl.)
In Judaism, apostasy refers to the rejection of Judaism and possible defection to another religion by a Jew. The term apostasy is derived from Ancient Greek: ἀποστάτης, meaning “rebellious” (Hebrew: מרד) Equivalent expressions for apostate in Hebrew that are used by rabbinical scholars include mumar (מומר, literally “the one that was changed”), poshea Yisrael (פושע ישראל, literally, “transgressor of Israel”), and kofer (כופר, literally “denier”). Similar terms are meshumad (משומד, lit. “destroyed one”), from tashmud – to destroy or one who has abandoned his faith, and min (מין) or epikoros (אפיקורוס), which denote the negation of God and Judaism, implying atheism.

Woman holding scale of balance – Weigh it in the balance to see if the JWs faith is OK?
On Monday 23rd July, 2018 Roni saw the film Apostasy by Daniel Kokotajlo a former member of the Jehovah Witnesses
Apostasy review – faith and fellowship in potent account of hidden world of Jehovah’s Witnesses
Click on Heading above for the Link to the Film Web Site
Daniel Kokotajlo’s debut about life among a religious community in Oldham is authentic, sensitive and subtle but has a sledgehammer narrative punch

Here is an utterly absorbing and accomplished debut feature from writer-director Daniel Kokotajlo, known before this for his well-regarded short films Myra and The Mess Hall of an Online Warrior. Apostasy * combines subtlety and sensitivity with real emotional power. It also packs a sledgehammer narrative punch two-thirds in, after which life in the film carries on with eerie quietness as usual, while we, the audience, have no choice but to go into a state of shock. It shows that Kokotajlo can really do something so many new British film-makers can’t or won’t: tell a story.
* (Link to Film Web Site)
The film is set among a community of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Oldham in north-west England. Kokotajlo grew up in a Jehovah’s Witness family before leaving the faith while at college, and his writing – detached but calmly observant and sympathetic – is evidently based on a real knowledge of this culture, invisible to outsiders. He has apparently used the JW meeting hall in Oldham for the film: the building’s exterior, at any rate. I have to say that Apostasy exposes the slightly preposterous drama of Richard Eyre’s new film The Children Act, with a similar plotline about Jehovah’s Witnesses, based on the Ian McEwan novel. Apostasy is more knowledgeable, less excitable.
Ivanna is concerned about the bad influences Luisa will encounter at college: people of no faith or, even worse, the wrong faith. (She dismisses Catholicism as “wishy-washy”.) Her fears are well founded. Luisa has an unbelieving boyfriend by whom she has got pregnant and her excommunication (to borrow the wishy-washy term) is inevitable. Meanwhile, delicate, shy, clever Alex is very flattered when a young man, an up-and-coming elder in the JW faith, introduces himself to her and her mother at the weekly meeting and asks them both to supper: this is Steven, played by Robert Emms. Alex sees perfectly well how the match is being made by her mother, in concert with the church, so that she will not go down the same route as her sister, and, concerned as she is for Luisa, this responsibility cements her already deeply committed attachment to the orthodoxy. Family tensions become unbearable.

The performances of Finneran, Wright and Parkinson are tremendous and all the more moving for their restraint. Kokotajlo’s direction is lucid and direct. With cinematographer Adam Scarth (who also shot the recent Daphne), he conjures an undramatic world of cloudy days and dull workplaces, kitchens, front rooms. The women’s faces are captured mostly in intimate closeup. Parkinson’s simmering anger as Luisa is almost unwatchably painful, because her rebellion is always tempered by a need not to upset her mother; Wright’s gentleness and tenderness in the role of Alex is heartbreaking.
Finneran’s Ivanna is the most mysterious of all. She is a world away from, say, Geraldine McEwan’s religious matriarch in the BBC TV adaptation of Jeanette Winterson’s Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit in 1989. There is no righteous hysteria, no rage, just an utterly serene contentment with the worldview she has grown up with, and the inevitability of the “new system” that will come into being after this current world has come to an end. But Ivanna’s faith is severely tested, and there is a brilliant scene in which Kokotajlo comes in for another key closeup on Ivanna undergoing a silent dark moment of the soul in the midst of a prayer meeting. With the tiniest flinches and winces, Finneran conveys Ivanna’s suppressed turmoil, before she stumbles out to the lavatory to find the elder’s voice has been piped in there too, via the PA system. The word of God is omnipresent. Apostasy is a supremely intelligent and gripping drama.
You may wonder why on a blog concerning Messianic Jewish Perspectives has featured a film about Jehovah Witnesses (JW/ JWs) and someone who has left their faith?
The answer is due to the fact that there are a number of Jewish people who have embraced the JW movement as well and this is also true in Israel today. While living in Cape Town Roni had to do with a young Jewish woman who had become a Witness and she had been referred to him for spiritual advice.

Haifa, Isreal
Then, while living in Haifa during the late 1990s Roni had an encounter with an Israeli named Alexander who was one of the leading members of the JWs in Western Galilee. For a period of three months they regularly met at the Haifa railway station precint for discussions. They both brought English language Bibles with them and note books. Though Alexander’s preferred translation was the New World Translation (NWT – JW), out of deference for Roni he used the American Standard translation, due to the use of Jehovah for the Tetragramaton – YHWH.

The Rules of Engagement
Only Bibles were permitted due to Alexander’s request that Roni did not give him any literature that was critical of the JWs. However, Roni in contrast was happy to receive their Watch Tower publications that aided their discussions.
Jehovah’s Witnesses Jehovah’s fast facts and introduction
| Adherents | 6.5 million |
|---|---|
| Beliefs | One God: Jehovah. No Trinity. Christ is the first creation of God; the Holy Spirit is a force. |
| Practices | No blood transfusions, no celebration of holidays, no use of crosses or religious images. Baptism, Sunday service at Kingdom Hall, strong emphasis on evangelism. No taking up arms – conscientious objectors. |
| Main Holidays | Memorial of Christ’s death, celebrated annually. All Christian or other religious-based holidays are rejected as unbiblical and pagan. |
| Texts | New World Translation of the Scriptures. Plus Numerous Watchtower Publications. |

Watch Out: You Are in Danger – Be hind the Smiles are Deceptive Teachings Designed to Ensnare You!
Jehovah’s Witnesses and Salvation
(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe salvation is a gift from God attained by being part of “God’s organization” and putting faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. They do not believe in predestination or eternal security. They believe in different forms of resurrection for two groups of Christians. One group, the anointed, go to heaven while the other group, “the other sheep” or “the great crowd” will live forever on earth.
Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that salvation is possible only through Christ’s ransom sacrifice and that individuals cannot be saved until they repent of their sins and call on the name of Jehovah. Salvation is described as a free gift from God, but is said to be unattainable without good works that are prompted by faith. The works prove faith is genuine. Preaching is said to be one of the works necessary for salvation, both of themselves and those to whom they preach.They believe that baptism as a member of Jehovah’s Witnesses is “a vital step toward gaining salvation”, and that people can be “saved” by identifying God’s organization. They also believe that conforming to the moral requirements set out in the Bible is essential for salvation.
The Witnesses reject the doctrine of universal salvation, as well as that of predestination or fate. They believe that all intelligent creatures are endowed with free will. They regard salvation to be a result of a person’s own decisions, not of fate. They also reject the concept of “once saved, always saved” (or “eternal security“), instead believing that one must remain faithful until the end to be saved.
Regarding whether non-Witnesses will be “saved”, they believe that Jesus has the responsibility of judging such ones, and that no human can judge for themselves who will be saved. Based on their interpretation of Acts 24:15, they believe there will be a resurrection of righteous and unrighteous people. They believe that non-Witnesses alive now may attain salvation if they “begin to serve God”.
The ‘anointed’
Based on their understanding of scriptures such as Revelation 14:1-4, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 faithful Christians go to heaven to rule with Christ in the kingdom of God. They, with Jesus, will also perform priestly duties that will bring faithful mankind to perfect health and ‘everlasting life’. They believe that most of those are already in heaven, and that the “remnant” at Revelation 12:17 (KJV) refers to those remaining alive on earth who will be immediately resurrected to heaven when they die. The Witnesses understand Jesus’ words at John 3:3—”except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God”—to apply to the 144,000 who are “born again” as “anointed” sons of God in heaven. They teach that the New Testament, which they refer to as the Christian Greek Scriptures, is primarily directed to the 144,000, and by extension, to those associated with them. They believe that the terms “Israel of God” (Galatians 6:16), “little flock” (Luke 12:32), “New Jerusalem,” and “the bride, the Lamb’s wife” (Revelation 21:2,9) in the New Testament also refer to the same group of “anointed” Christians.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that being ‘anointed’ involves a personal revelation by God’s spirit which “gives positive assurance of adoption” to the individual alone. Members who claim to be anointed are not given special treatment by other congregation members. However, only those in the anointed class partake of the unleavened bread and wine at the yearly commemoration of Christ’s death, or Memorial.
The ‘other sheep’ and the ‘great crowd’
Watch Tower Society literature states that Jesus’ use of the term “other sheep” in John 10:16 was intended to indicate that the majority of his followers were not part of the 144,000 and would have an earthly, rather than heavenly, hope. In the resurrection, those who died faithful to God are included in the ‘other sheep’ and will receive the “resurrection of the righteous” (“just” KJV) mentioned in Acts 24:15. Those who died without faithfully serving God will receive the “resurrection of the … unrighteous” (“unjust” KJV). They will be given an opportunity to gain God’s favor and join Jesus’ ‘other sheep’ and live forever in an earthly paradise. Individuals unfavorably judged by God are not resurrected, and are said to be in Gehenna, which they consider to be a metaphor for eternal destruction. Those of the ‘other sheep’ who are alive today, some of whom survive through Armageddon without needing a resurrection, are referred to as the ‘great crowd’.
Personal Insights and Comments
Roni’s personal refections are not based solely upon the three month study that he undertook with Alexander, for while living in Johannesburg, South Africa, he also together with a chap called Peter had debated with JWs in Edenvale, Jo’burg.
On a new housing estate there were two groups of women who were actively seeking to recruit new members for their women’s groups – the one was an Evangelical church and the other was a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah Witnesses. Peter had been asked if he could come and speak to the combined group in a community hall and bring a friend with him (Roni), because there were four women who were struggeling to decide which group to join – either the JWs or the Evangelicals.
Roni clearly recall the afternoon meeting
The leading JW lady gave a presentation about their beliefs and hoping that the undecided women should choose their group. Much like the list of some of their principle doctrines listed above she clearly articulated them. Roni then responded and gave a short Gosple presentation in which he outlined the Kerygma (from the ancient Greek word κήρυγμαkérugma) is a Greek word used in the New Testament for “preaching” (see Luke 4:18-19, Romans 10:14, Matthew 3:1). It is related to the Greek verb κηρύσσωkērússō, literally meaning “to cry or proclaim as a herald” and being used in the sense of “to proclaim, announce, preach”. Merriam-Webster defines it as “the apostolic proclamation of salvation through Jesus Christ“. Amongst biblical scholars, the term has come to mean the core of the early church’s oral tradition about Jesus.
Peter who was conversant with New Testament Greek (Koine Greek 300 BC – 300 AD Byzantine official use until 1453), and he spoke about the problems with the New World Translation of the New Testament that has a theological bias seeking to prove cardinal JW doctrines.
When Peter had concluded speaking Roni asked for some of those present to give their personal stories from both groups as to how they had come to faith in Jehovah and joined the JWs and also from some of those from the Evangelical church who had made a profession of faith in Jesus as Messiah and Lord.
On Refelction
The outcome of the meeting that took place was as follows:
The JWs who spoke said how that through their joining the Witnesses they had found peace of mind and hope for the future in which a ‘new day would dawn’ and after Armageddon had happened. While those who had embraced Jesus as saviour, spoke of finding a living faith through trusting in God.
Roni subsequently heard from Peter that of those four women who were undecided, two became committed believers in Jesus and joined the Evangelical church, one had joined the JWs and one stopped associating with either group.
Alexander and Roni
There were areas of agreement and also some profound issues that they could not agree upon. Roni elaborates:
- They both have a Jewish heritage
- Their respect for Scripture as God’s Word – though for Roni, not the NWT of the JWs
- A love for God and his concern for humanity and their plight in a godless age
- God does have a plan for the redemption of humanity
- The uniqueness of Yeshua – though they differed on the question of his divinity
- God wants to establish his kingdom rule in the earth – though they differed substantially as to what that means
- Personal responsibility for one’s own life, i.e. one cannot blame others for one’s own choices and failures
- Universal peace and overcoming conflict and war – reconciliation and harmony among all God’s people
However, it became clear that neither of them was willing to embrace the other’s beliefs on the things that kept them apart:
- The Person and Work of Yeshua – for Roni, he is the divine Son of God, Saviour and Lord. He is not a created being and his purpose for coming into this world was much more than just paying the ransom price as a ransom sacrifice as held by the JWs. Though the doctrine of the Tri-Unity/ Trinity is not explicit in the Scripture, it is implicit and there are many passages that testify to that reality (The trinitarian formula at the end of Matthews gospel may well be a later addition – Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,…” – ( Matthew 2819 )
- The Holy Spirit is not a force but a Person and one of the God-head
- The New World Translation is an unrelaible edition of the Bible that seeks to prove the JWs theologically biased doctrines and is linguistically unsound
- Salvation is by grace through faith alone and not by joining some society/ organisation such as the Watch Tower Society and becoming a member of a Jehova Witnesses Kingdom Hall
- The JWs doctrine of salvation is deficient as they speak only of Jesus paying the ransom price/ sacrifice
- Their Millennial teaching is confused and biblically unsound – the issue of the 144,000 who are those alone elected to go to heaven does not square with sound teaching about rewards and who is eligble for heaven
- It is irrelavant as to what was the shape of the instrument of troture and execution upon which Jesus died – stake Stauros (σταυρός) is a Greek word and can equally mean cross. It could have been a T – shaped cross – tau upon which Jesus died

- Or as the Hebrew Scripture call the place of execution as The Cursed Tree
- What is important is that Jesus/Yehua died to take away sin and to make full atonement for all humankind There are many different expressions of the Messianic faith/ Christian faith and one group such as the JWs does not have the menopolly
- It has been wisely said that when someone takes a Scriptural text out of context and creates a pretext for a doctrine that does violence to sound hermeneutical principles (sound biblical interpretation)
- It is not suprising that when this approach is used to establishing doctrine that one will land up with many un-biblical doctrines that cannot be substantiated by Scripture
- Such groups however sincere that they may be must be avoided at all costs
By mutual agreement Roni and Alexander decided to not continue to meet – Shalom
The 11 Beliefs You Should Know about Jehovah’s Witnesses When They Knock at the Door
The following is a brief overview of what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe, along with what the Bible really teaches, printed among the many articles and resources in the back of the ESV Study Bible (posted by permission).
1. The divine name.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that God’s one true name—the name by which he must be identified—is Jehovah.
Biblically, however, God is identified by many names, including:
In NT times, Jesus referred to God as “Father” (Gk. Patēr; Matt. 6:9), as did the apostles (1 Cor. 1:3).
God (Hb. ‘elohim; Gen. 1:1),
God Almighty (Hb. ‘El Shadday; Gen. 17:1),
Lord (Hb. ‘Adonay; Ps. 8:1), and
Lord of hosts (Hb. yhwh tseba’ot; 1 Sam. 1:3).
2. The Trinity.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Trinity is unbiblical because the word is not in the Bible and because the Bible emphasizes that there is one God.
Biblically, while it is true that there is only one God (Isa. 44:6; 45:18; 46:9; John 5:44; 1 Cor. 8:4; James 2:19), it is also true that three persons are called God in Scripture:
the Father (1 Pet. 1:2),
Jesus (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8), and
the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4).
Each of these three possesses the attributes of deity—including
omnipresence (Ps. 139:7; Jer. 23:23-24; Matt. 28:20),
omniscience (Ps. 147:5; John 16:30; 1 Cor. 2:10-11),
omnipotence (Jer. 32:17; John 2:1-11; Rom. 15:19), and
eternality (Ps. 90:2; Heb. 9:14; Rev. 22:13).
Still further, each of the three is involved in doing the works of deity—such as creating the universe:
the Father (Gen. 1:1; Ps. 102:25),
the Son (John 1:3; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2), and
the Holy Spirit (Gen. 1:2; Job 33:4; Ps. 104:30).
The Bible indicates that there is three-in-oneness in the godhead (Matt. 28:19; cf. 2 Cor. 13:14).
Thus doctrinal support for the Trinity is compellingly strong.
3. Jesus Christ.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was created by Jehovah as the archangel Michael before the physical world existed, and is a lesser, though mighty, god.
Biblically, however, Jesus is eternally God (John 1:1; 8:58; cf. Ex. 3:14) and has the exact same divine nature as the Father (John 5:18; 10:30; Heb. 1:3).
Indeed, a comparison of the OT and NT equates Jesus with Jehovah (compare Isa. 43:11 with Titus 2:13; Isa. 44:24 with Col. 1:16; Isa. 6:1-5 with John 12:41).
Jesus himself created the angels (Col. 1:16; cf. John 1:3; Heb. 1:2, 10) and is worshiped by them (Heb. 1:6).
4. The incarnation.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that when Jesus was born on earth, he was a mere human and not God in human flesh.
This violates the biblical teaching that in the incarnate Jesus, “the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily” (Col. 2:9; cf. Phil. 2:6-7).
The word for “fullness” (Gk. plērōma) carries the idea of the sum total. “Deity” (Gk. theotēs) refers to the nature, being, and attributes of God.
Therefore, the incarnate Jesus was the sum total of the nature, being, and attributes of God in bodily form.
Indeed, Jesus was Immanuel, or “God with us” (Matt. 1:23; cf. Isa. 7:14; John 1:1, 14, 18; 10:30; 14:9-10).
5. Resurrection.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was resurrected spiritually from the dead, but not physically.
Biblically, however, the resurrected Jesus asserted that he was not merely a spirit but had a flesh-and-bone body (Luke 24:39; cf. John 2:19-21).
He ate food on several occasions, thereby proving that he had a genuine physical body after the resurrection (Luke 24:30, 42-43; John 21:12-13).
This was confirmed by his followers who physically touched him (Matt. 28:9; John 20:17).
6. The second coming.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the second coming was an invisible, spiritual event that occurred in the year 1914.
Biblically, however, the yet-future second coming will be physical, visible (Acts 1:9-11; cf. Titus 2:13), and will be accompanied by visible cosmic disturbances (Matt. 24:29-30). Every eye will see him (Rev. 1:7).
7. The Holy Spirit.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force of God and not a distinct person.
Biblically, however, the Holy Spirit has the three primary attributes of personality:
a mind (Rom. 8:27),
emotions (Eph. 4:30), and
will (1 Cor. 12:11).
Moreover, personal pronouns are used of him (Acts 13:2). Also, he does things that only a person can do, including:
teaching (John 14:26),
testifying (John 15:26),
commissioning (Acts 13:4),
issuing commands (Acts 8:29), and
interceding (Rom. 8:26).
The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity (Matt. 28:19).
8. Salvation.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that salvation requires faith in Christ, association with God’s organization (i.e., their religion), and obedience to its rules.
Biblically, however, viewing obedience to rules as a requirement for salvation nullifies the gospel (Gal. 2:16-21; Col. 2:20-23). Salvation is based wholly on God’s unmerited favor (grace), not on the believer’s performance.
Good works are the fruit or result, not the basis, of salvation (Eph. 2:8-10; Titus 3:4-8).
9. Two redeemed peoples.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe there are two peoples of God: (1) the Anointed Class (144,000) will live in heaven and rule with Christ; and (2) the “other sheep” (all other believers) will live forever on a paradise earth.
Biblically, however, a heavenly destiny awaits all who believe in Christ (John 14:1-3; 17:24; 2 Cor. 5:1; Phil. 3:20; Col. 1:5; 1 Thess. 4:17; Heb. 3:1), and these same people will also dwell on the new earth (2 Pet. 3:13; Rev. 21:1-4).
10. No immaterial soul.
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that humans have an immaterial nature. The “soul” is simply the life-force within a person. At death, that life-force leaves the body.
Biblically, however, the word “soul” is multifaceted. One key meaning of the term is man’s immaterial self that consciously survives death (Gen. 35:18; Rev. 6:9-10). Unbelievers are in conscious woe (Matt. 13:42; 25:41, 46; Luke 16:22-24; Rev. 14:11) while believers are in conscious bliss in heaven (1 Cor. 2:9; 2 Cor. 5:6-8; Phil. 1:21-23; Rev. 7:17; 21:4).
11. Hell.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe hell is not a place of eternal suffering but is rather the common grave of humankind. The wicked are annihilated—snuffed out of conscious existence forever.
Biblically, however, hell is a real place of conscious, eternal suffering (Matt. 5:22; 25:41, 46; Jude 7; Rev. 14:11; 20:10, 14).


Anathema Maranatha – “The Lord He Comes – Cursed are those that do not follow the Truth!”
A Strong Warning To All Who Distort The Truth of The Gospel Message!

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The Blame Game Israel Today!
“Let’s play the blame game:”
“It’s your fault!” – “No! It’s yours…” And so the stupid game goes on and there are no winners, but all are losers and the things that divide and keep people apart have the result of driving them even further apart.
Israel and the Palestinians have been involved in blaming each other for a long time and its seems that they are no closer to solving the impasse that keeps them apart and prevents them from solving their problems. Equally there are many folk who medle in the situation and instead of helping them to solve the problems only serve to make things worse and more difficult to find a lasting and meaningful peace where there are no losers and all are the winners.
Roni and Mike in this programme consider some of the complex issues and a special focus upon the recent visit of Mandla Mandela, Nelson Mandela’s grandson to Israel and the Palestinian authority. Though Mandla undertook this visit, he failed to speak to Israeli politicians and only focused upon the Plaletinian narrative.
It may be unfair to expect more from Mandla Mandela, for there are few people of his grandfather Nelson Mandela’s calibre. While I fully respect Mandla as a person, I heartily disagree with his one-sided approach to the Israeli – Palestinian conflict and feel that his approach is short-sighted and ultimately unhelpful.
Peace makers or trouble makers?

Mandla equates the Plaestinian situation to South Africa under Apartheid.
What is the truth about the real situation?

Nelson Mandela and the Israel-Palestinian Conflict
Nelson Mandela: A Leader of Courage and Dignity
In 1990, Nelson Mandela was invited to come to the United States to receive the hero’s welcome he so richly deserved. There was a planned a ticker tape parade in New York City, congratulatory rallies, meetings with important political figures and extensive media coverage. However, because of his warm relationships with Gaddafi and Arafat and statements he made about Israel as an occupier of the Palestinian homeland, there was concern among some leaders in the Black community, that his visit to New York City would not get the whole hearted participation from the Jewish Community it warranted.
At a minimum, they wanted to avoid large-scale protest demonstrations by Jewish activists that could mar the excitement of his visit. Through an approach to Henry Siegman, Executive Director of the American Jewish Congress, African American activists Harry Belafonte, Roger Wilkins and Randall Robinson, together with Lindiwe Mabuzza, the African National Congress’ chief representative in Washington, helped arrange a meeting between Mandela and Jewish representatives led by AJCongress, in Geneva, Switzerland. The aim was to discuss the Israel-Palestinian conflict to see whether there was a way of framing an approach that would allow the celebration to go on without incident.
I felt strongly that it was important to avoid demonstrations by Jewish organizations. First, because Mandela fully deserved the applause and recognition he would receive here for his courage, his broad perspective and his leadership without any actions that would detract from his appreciation. Second, I was concerned that demonstrations by members of the Jewish community would not only harm Black-Jewish relations, but would also create a negative view of American Jews in the general population.
The meeting with Mandela was held in a small, nondescript hotel in the Geneva countryside. Mr. Mandela was accompanied by some of his key colleagues, including Thabo Mbeki, then ANC Foreign Minister. Despite the pressures on Mandela and concerns about his health, the meeting lasted two and a half hours.
We were dealing with a sensitive issue. It was clear from the outset that Mandela was unhappy with the meeting and did not want to be seen as backing away from positions he had taken. In this he had strong support from his colleagues. On our part, out of the great respect we had for Mandela and all that he stood for, we did not want him to be thought of as having changed his positions just to satisfy those who disagreed with him. But, at the same time, we wanted to be able to develop a statement from him and honestly report a dialogue that would take the sting out of his earlier statements.
Mr. Mandela lived up to everything I had read about him and more. I wrote in my Occasional Letter #17 following the meeting, that he was “the genuine article.” Courtly and polite at all times, with an old-world charm, he had the nice quality of focusing his entire attention on the person speaking to him. He was very articulate with a straight-forward unembroidered way of conveying his thoughts. He spoke with warmth and sincerity and reached out for understanding and reconciliation. Yet, it was clear that when his core positions were in issue, he was steel encased in velvet. “He is a man of great integrity, with the courage of his convictions,” I wrote.
He made abundantly clear his deep and abiding gratitude to the many South African Jews who helped him over the years, starting with his first job as an apprentice as an attorney to a Jewish law firm that waived the usual 500 pound fee for his apprenticeship. He went on to name leading Jews, who, as his associates in the ANC and outside, supported him in his struggle against apartheid and in his fight with the South African government. He told us that Gaddafi originally conditioned his financial help to the ANC on the ANC’s willingness to disassociate itself from South African Jews but recognized that Mandela would not succumb to such pressure. He also told us that he had learned much from the way David Ben Gurion fought the British and won a homeland for Jews and from Menachem Begin, whom he admired for his toughness in leading the Irgun. He was grateful, too, to Golda Meir for her early denunciation of apartheid.
With respect to Israel and the Palestinians, he noted that he unequivocally recognized Israel, not only as a de facto entity but its de jure right to exist as a state behind secure borders. But those borders, he stated, were the borders before the 1967 war. He saw Israel as an occupier and analogized Israel’s occupation to South Africa’s treatment of its black population, both in taking over their lands and in the use of force to repress any counter efforts. Repeatedly, he said that the only path to peace in the Middle East lay in direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. He was grateful to Arafat and Gaddafi for their friendship and support for the ANC when it was all but abandoned by others.
For our part we were able to express to Mandela and his aides the meaning of Zionism as the national liberation of the Jewish people through the founding and continued existence of a homeland. Had that homeland existed in the Nazi era, there would have been no Holocaust. This is why identifying Zionism as Racism, as then existed in UN Resolution 3379 (later expunged) is so odious to all Jews.
The meeting ended with good will on all sides and we were able to publicly explain Mandela’s support for Israel and its security while seeking an equitable solution for the Palestinians. The result was a highly successful visit by Mandela to the United States with no significant Jewish activist efforts to damage the event.
The foregoing is an edited excerpt from Mr. Lifton’s memoirs “An Entrepreneur’s Journey: Stories From A Life In Business And Personal Diplomacy”
Choose the Way of Making True Peace

A Biblical perspective is desperately needed.
Listen to this interesting exchange of views and may you discover the path to true peace, reconciliation and hope:


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Roni & Fareed Speak on Having a “Living Faith,” in Israel Today

This programme comes to you from Nahariayah Israel and is a converstaion between Roni and Fareed. They discuss overcoming personal and inter-personal conflict and the way to find lasting peace through faith in the Messiah Yeshua – Jesus who is called Emmnuel – God with us.
Leonard Cohen’s song Halleluya is sang having been translated into Arabic.
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Hospitality of Abraham –
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A Special Arabic Programme – Roni Speaks to Maroon Jacob

The conversation between Roni and Maroon is in English with some Arabic translation included.
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An Arab Christian who lives in the Middle East in the Bible Lands shares his faith in Jesus the Messiah.
Due to the sensative nature of the content of this programme, the name of the person has been changed and not a specific location is given. However, all that is said is based on his true personal experience of being a Christian in a very challenging and potentially dangerous world in which he lives.
Do pray for those who seek to share the Good News with all who live in the Middle-East, as their testimony is shared with Moslems, Christians, Jews and unbelievers alike.
We are all sons and daughters of Abraham our father and the call goes out for all to become sons and daughters of the Living God, through his Son Jesus of Nazareth.
Galatians 3:15-18 (NRSV)
The Promise to Abraham
15 Brothers and sisters,[a] I give an example from daily life: once a person’s will[b] has been ratified, no one adds to it or annuls it. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring;[c] it does not say, “And to offsprings,”[d] as of many; but it says, “And to your offspring,”[e] that is, to one person, who is Christ [Messiah]. 17 My point is this: the law, which came four hundred thirty years later, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance comes from the law, it no longer comes from the promise; but God granted it to Abraham through the promise.
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True Dialogue

To continue with our subject concerning the basis of true dialogue: Before I continue with Justin and Trypho’s dialogue, I wish to say something about those things that aid and also hinder dialogue taking place between Jewish people and Christians.
Many Jewish and Christian philosophers, theologians and thinkers have said much about how Jewish – Christian relations may be improved by “a dialogue between equals.” For this to take place, mutual respect, appreciation, and love one towards the other needs to be encouraged and it is something to strive towards.
Speaking of being “equals” may sound that it is a given, but reality tells a very different story. The dialogue between Justin and Trypho while it attempts to give the impression that it takes place on a level playing field, it quickly becomes apparent that the dialogue is not between “equals” at all.
While Justin is not unkind, he has a clear intention of convincing Trypho of the superiority of the Christian Gospel and from Justin’s point of view, Judaism has been superseded with Christianity, replacing the Jewish faith.
One must appreciate that this dialogue is set in the second century of the common era and that it is polemical and apologetical in style and Justin without apology seeks to win Trypho to faith in Christ.
The question as to whether this is legitimate is quite another issue, however, in terms of a “true dialogue” is something that is under consideration?
There are certainly elements of a true dialogue present, such as Trypho is not just portrayed as a passive listener, he does challenge Christian assertions and he puts forward Jewish objections to the Christian message.
However, there are false notions on both sides of the arguments and at times unsound theological interpretations presented by Justin based upon his theology concerning Judaism and whether it has an abiding covenant and relationship with God in the light of the advent of Jesus as the Messiah/ Christ.
Triumphalistic and erroneous view that Christianity has a superior view of God and that Judaism is a religion based upon law keeping, while Christianity is based only on faith. These types of stereotypes do little or anything to build trust between Jews and Christians and only serves to undermine any hope of genuine dialogue. There is no place for holding a superior or arrogant attitude if you are hoping to have any meaningful interchange of ideas.
Judaism is a religion that is equally about having a living, trusting faith in the living God. He is viewed as righteous, just and shows loving kindness to all who put their trust in him. The observance of the Torah is an integral part of the practice of Judaism, but to simply a false image of Judaism as a religion that “hopes to balance the books,” as it were, by making sure that “the credits outweigh the debts,” is to grossly misrepresent it.
Judaism believes in repentance, seeking divine mercy, forgiveness, and restoration. To say otherwise is to do violence to what Jewish people believe.The single “big issue” that divides the Jewish faith from the Christian faith, is the “person and work of Jesus!”
What place does Jesus hold in the Jewish and Christian faith?
As has rightly said, Judaism without “Jesus” stands alone, while Christianity without him would not exist at all.
He defines everything that Christians hold sacred and dear. He is designated and declared as “Messiah/ Christ; Redeemer; Lord, God, and Saviour.” He answered,
“I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel ” (the Jewish people — Matthew 15:24 NRSV).
He then said,
“I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd” (the Gentiles — John 10:16 NRSV).

The Bone of Contention
Jewish philosophers, theologians, thinkers, spiritual leaders and apologists with “one voice,” say, “No to Jesus!” He can be the Saviour of the pagan, Gentile world, but please do not say that we Jews need to have anything to do with him.
The Gentile Christians have blamed us for his death [deicide = “killers of God”], persecuted us, maligned us, marginalised us, sought to not only exclude us from God but have also plundered our sacred book, the Hebrew Scriptures, renamed it the “Old Testament,” taken all the blessings contained in our Bible too. You claim our fathers (patriarchs), prophets and kings as your own. In addition, you have also displaced us and call us the “people of the Old Covenant,” while you claim to be the “people of the New Covenant.” You even call yourselves “New Israel” and we are referred to as “Old Israel,” and you tell us that our observance of the Torah is useless and that we are lost and damned if we think that God will accept us by its observance!
What are we to say?
We need to bow our heads in shame if we claim to “love the Jewish Messiah/ Christ,” and have treated his “kith and kin” so badly, for Jesus according to his human nature is Jewish. What are we indeed to say to the Jewish people in the light of this dreadful treatment that has been meted out by the church upon them?
We need to have deep sorrow for what we have done. How can we celebrate our faith, knowing that many of our leaders have been responsible for saying such reprehensible things as a Luther or a John Chrysostom about the Jewish people? The Fourth Lateran Council of 1215 in its Canons on the Jews is extremely harsh and condemnatory towards them, restricting their social intercourse and their religious freedom marking them out by making them wear special clothes as a sign to ridicule them and separate them from Christians.



The way forward
The way forward is not with arrogance and pride, but in deep humility that we dare say anything to our Jewish brothers and sisters about Jesus of Nazareth.
Yet there must be a way to share his loving grace? If Jesus own intention was to share the Good News with Israel, then can we remain silent?

Genuine Dialogue
Further to what has been said, recognising our own failure and that of members of the body of Messiah/ Christ, for true dialogue to work, beginning from this place of weakness, on the basis of complete honesty, with the greatest respect for the Jewish people and Judaism, we must be able to share what is sacred and true to us. This includes the fact that we believe that he is Messiah and Lord not only of the Gentiles but also the Jewish people.

Saying, “No more to forced conversions, the use of deceptive methods or anything else that would dishonour the very Jesus that we love and wish to share, we must be able to say, “this is what we believe and this is also to include you!”
Having said all this, the expression “walking or treading on eggshells,” may be apt:
Part 2 True Dialogue

More then simply to relate what Justin says, I will give a critique of his ideas that he has expressed and show that while he may have had noble intentions, what he argues is at times not only theologically erroneous, but also deeply offensive to Jewish people.
CHAP. XVI.—CIRCUMCISION GIVEN AS A SIGN,…Justin: “And God himself proclaimed by Moses, speaking thus: ‘And circumcise the hardness of your hearts, and no longer stiffen the neck. For the Lord, your God is both Lord of lords, and a great, mighty, and terrible God, who regardeth not persons, and taketh not rewards.’…”
“Accordingly, these things have happened to you in fairness and justice, for you have slain the Just One, and His prophets before Him; and now you reject those who hope in Him, and in Him who sent Him—God the Almighty and Maker of all things—cursing in your synagogues those that believe in Christ.”
My comments:
This raises the question as to whether the Jewish people can collectively be blamed for the death of Christ alone?
The Judean temple leadership certainly had a part in the death of Jesus, but this cannot be used as a pretext to blame the whole Jewish nation for his death.
The Romans were equally complicit and willingly participated in the punishment and crucifixion of Christ and do anyone blame Italians, Latin or Greek-speaking people for his death? Why not bicycle riders or dog walker, but that is absurd. Well is it not equally absurd to blame Jewish people today for something that happened two millennia ago!
Also, to simply blame the Jews for his death misses the whole point of “why Jesus died?”
He died as the supreme sacrifice for sin and this was part of God’s plan for the redemption of humankind from the power of sin and death. Did Jesus not say,
“For this reason, the Father loves me, because I lay down my life in order to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have the power to lay it down, and I have the power to take it up again. I have received this command from my Father’ ” (John 10:17-18 NRSV).
This being the case, how can anyone blame the Jewish people for the death of Jesus?
Justin: “For you have not the power to lay hands upon us, on account of those who now have the mastery. But as often as you could, you did so. Wherefore God, by Isaiah, calls to you, saying, ‘Behold how the righteous man perished, and no one regards it. For the righteous man is taken away from before iniquity. His grave shall be in peace, he is taken away from the midst. Draw near hither, ye lawless children, the seed of the adulterers, and children of the whore. Against whom have you sported yourselves, and against whom have you opened the mouth, and against whom have you loosened the tongue?'”
Comment: Why choose these verses from Isaiah, to castigate the Jewish people? Is Justin not using these scriptures out of context to fulfil a vindictive intention to seek to further humiliate the Jewish nation?
There certainly was an issue with some of the Jewish leadership as I have already said, but such generalizations are not helpful, for instead of building bridges of understanding they have the opposite effect of building higher barriers for Jewish people to consider the claims of the Messiah.
CHAP. XXIV.—THE CHRISTIANS’ CIRCUMCISION FAR MORE EXCELLENT.
“Now, sirs,” I said, “it is possible for us to show how the eighth day possessed a certain mysterious import, which the seventh day did not possess, and which was promulgated by God through these rites. But lest I appear now to diverge to other subjects, understand what I say: the blood of that circumcision is obsolete, and we trust in the blood of salvation; there is now another covenant, and another law has gone forth from Zion.”
Comment: on what basis does Justin question the Abrahamic Covenant? Is he not confusing a covenant of that was established between God and his Chosen people, with a covenant that established universal salvation for all of humanity? Being part of that covenant of circumcision was never intended to include “automatic ” salvation, but it only guaranteed membership of the Jewish people?
Justin: “Jesus Christ circumcises all who will—as was declared above—with knives of stone;(4) that they may be a righteous nation, a people keeping the faith, holding to the truth, and maintaining peace. Come then with me, all who fear God, who wish to see the good of Jerusalem. Come, let us go to the light of the Lord; for He has liberated His people, the house of Jacob. Come, all nations; let us gather ourselves together at Jerusalem, no longer plagued by war for the sins of her people. ‘For I was manifest to them that sought Me not; I was found of them that asked not for Me;'(5) He exclaims by Isaiah: ‘I said, Behold Me, unto nations which were not called by My name. I have spread out My hands all the day unto a disobedient and gainsaying people, which walked in a way that was not good but after their own sins. It is a people that provoketh Me to my face.’
Comment: Justin’s use of this argument against the continued trust in the covenant of circumcision for salvation is wholly consistent with Pauline theology, however, he fails to mention that Paul did say to those Jews who had come to faith, that they were at perfect liberty to continue to circumcise their male offspring.
There appears to be an attitude of contempt towards anybody who is from a Jewish background and once again Justin is more concerned in winning an argument than gaining a sympathetic listener.
CHAP. XXV.—THE JEWS BOAST IN VAIN THAT THEY ARE SONS OF ABRAHAM.
“Those who justify themselves, and say they are sons of Abraham, shall be desirous even in a small degree to receive the inheritance along with you;(6) as the Holy Spirit, by the mouth of Isaiah, cries, speaking thus while he personates them: ‘Return from heaven, and behold from the habitation of Thy holiness and glory. Where is Thy zeal and strength? Where is the multitude of Thy mercy? for Thou hast sustained us, O Lord. For Thou art our Father, because Abraham is ignorant of us, and Israel has not recognized us…The city of Thy holiness has become desolate. Zion has become as a wilderness, Jerusalem a curse; the house, our holiness, and the glory which our fathers blessed have been burned with fire; and all the glorious nations(2) have fallen along with it. And in addition to these [misfortunes], O Lord, Thou hast refrained Thyself, and art silent and hast humbled us very much.'”
And Trypho remarked, “What is this you say? that none of us shall inherit anything on the holy mountain of God?”
Comment: Trypho has done well in hitting the nail on the head, by begging the question as on what basis may one hope for entrance into God’s kingdom?
CHAP. XXVI.—NO SALVATION TO THE JEWS EXCEPT THROUGH CHRIST.
And I replied, “I do not say so; but those who have persecuted and do persecute Christ, if they do not repent, shall not inherit anything on the holy mountain…”
Comment: Why does Justin continue to blame the Jewish people for persecuting Christ? Was this really happening when he wrote his dialogue or has he developed a negative narrative about Jews and Judaism that he parrots out without considering the negative effect that this has on his Jewish reader? I as a Messianic Jew find it offensive, particularly as I am concerned to establish the basis for true dialogue.
You may question why in his very next sentence he compares and praised the Gentiles who “have repented of the sins they have committed?” I get the distinct impression that a strong culture of anti-Judaism had already developed in a Gentile dominated church that was at “war” with either a real or imagined Jewish enemy.
As we consider this next section I invite you to think through the issue that I have just highlighted.
“But the Gentiles, who have believed on Him, and have repented of the sins which they have committed, they shall receive the inheritance along with the patriarchs and the prophets, and the just men who are descended from Jacob, even although they neither keep the Sabbath, nor are circumcised, nor observe the feasts. Assuredly they shall receive the holy inheritance of God. For God speaks by Isaiah thus: ‘I, the Lord God, have called Thee in righteousness, and will hold Thine hand, and will strengthen Thee; and I have given Thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles, to open the eyes of the blind, to bring out them that are bound from the chains, and those who sit in darkness from the prison-house.'(4) And again: ‘Lift up a standard s for the people; for, lo, the Lord has made it heard unto the end of the earth. Say ye to the daughters of Zion, Behold, thy Saviour has come; having His reward, and His work before His face: and He shall call it a holy nation, redeemed by the Lord. And thou shalt be called a city sought out, and not forsaken…”
Comment: Again Justin continues to “dispossess” the Jews of their biblical heritage by both spiritualising and appropriating it to the church.

CHAP. XXVII.—WHY GOD TAUGHT THE SAME THINGS BY THE PROPHETS AS BY MOSES.
And Trypho said, “Why do you select and quote whatever you wish from the prophetic writings, but do not refer to those which expressly command the Sabbath to be observed? For Isaiah thus speaks: ‘If thou shalt turn away thy foot from the Sabbaths, so as not to do thy pleasure on the holy day, and shalt call the Sabbaths the holy delights of thy God; if thou shalt not lift thy foot to work, and shalt not speak a word from thine own mouth; then thou shalt trust in the Lord, and He shall cause thee to go up to the good things of the land; and He shall feed thee with the inheritance of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.'”
And I replied, “I have passed them by, my friends, not because such prophecies were contrary to me, but because you have understood, and do understand, that although God commands you by all the prophets to do the same things which He also commanded by Moses, it was on account of the hardness of your hearts, and your ingratitude towards Him, that He continually proclaims them, in order that, even in this way, if you repented, you might please Him,…But you are a people hard-hearted and without understanding, both blind and lame, children, in whom is no faith, as He Himself says, honouring Him only with your lips, far from Him in your hearts, teaching doctrines that are your own and not His…”
Comment: Paul does speak of the problem of spiritual blindness that covers human hearts that affects both Jews and Gentiles — for Jewish people, Christ is considered a stumbling block and to Gentiles, the gospel message is considered foolishness but to those who are being saved it is the power and wisdom of God.
CHAP. XXVIII.—TRUE RIGHTEOUSNESS IS OBTAINED BY CHRIST.
And Trypho replied, “We heard you adducing this consideration a little ago, and we have given it attention: for, to tell the truth, it is worthy of attention; and that answer which pleases most—namely, that so it seemed good to Him—does not satisfy me. For this is ever the shift to which those have recourse who are unable to answer the question.”
Then I said, “Since I bring from the Scriptures and the facts themselves both the proofs and the inculcation of them, do not delay or hesitate to put faith in me, although I am an uncircumcised man; so short a time is left you in which to become proselytes. If Christ’s coming shall have anticipated you, in vain you will repent, in vain you will weep; for He will not hear you. ‘Break up your fallow ground,’ Jeremiah has cried to the people, ‘and sow not among thorns. Circumcise yourselves to the Lord, and circumcise the foreskin of your heart.’…And by David, He said, ‘A people whom I have not known, served Me; at the hearing of the of the ear they obey Me.”
A Comment: “So short a time is left you in which to become proselytes.” The concept of gaining proselytes was common in the early centuries of the common era, and both Jews and Christians were both engaged in gaining converts to their respective faiths. It was only in the fourth and fifth century that with an ascendent church that Jews were prohibited from seeking to gain converts from among the Gentiles. This has made the concept of gaining proselytes for Judaism something that is discouraged, though there are Reformed and Liberal rabbis who are willing to do so.
CHAP. CXXXVII–HE EXHORTS THE JEWS TO EMBRACE THE MESSIAH
“Say no evil thing, my brothers, against Him that was crucified, and treat not scornfully the stripes wherewith all may be healed, even as we are healed. For it will be well if, persuaded by the Scriptures, you are circumcised from hard-heartedness: not that circumcision which you have from the tenets that are put into you; for that was given for a sign, and not for a work of righteousness, as the Scriptures compel you [to admit]. Assent, therefore, and pour no ridicule on the Son of God; obey not the Pharisaic teachers, and scoff not at the King of Israel, as the rulers of your synagogues teach you to do after your prayers: for if he that touches those who are not pleasing(2) to God, is as one that touches the apple of God’s eye, how much more so is he that touches His beloved! And that this is He, has been sufficiently demonstrated.”
And as they kept silence, I continued: “My friends, I now refer to the Scriptures as the Seventy [LXX] have interpreted them; for when I quoted them formerly as you possess them, I made proof of you [to ascertain] how you were disposed of.(3) For, mentioning the Scripture which says, ‘Woe unto them! for they have devised evil counsel against themselves, saying(4) (as the Seventy have translated, I continued):
‘Let us take away the righteous, for he is distasteful to us;… But you had been busy about some other matter, and seem to have listened to the words without attending to them. But now, since the day is drawing to a close, for the sun is about to set, I shall add one remark to what I have said, and conclude. I have indeed made the very same remark already, but I think it would be right to bestow some consideration on it again.
CHAP. CXLII.—THE JEWS RETURN THANKS AND LEAVE JUSTIN.
Then Trypho, after a little delay, said, “You see that it was not intended that we came to discuss these points. And I confess that I have been particularly pleased with the conference, and I think that these are of quite the same opinion as myself. For we have found more than we expected and more than it was possible to have expected. And if we could do this more frequently, we should be much helped in the searching of the Scriptures themselves. But since,” he said, “you are on the eve of departure and expect daily to set sail, do not hesitate to remember us as friends when you are gone.”
“For my part,” I replied, “if I had remained, I would have wished to do the same thing daily. But now, since I expect, with God’s will and aid, to set sail, I exhort you to give all diligence in this very great struggle for your own salvation, and to be earnest in setting a higher value on the Christ of the Almighty God than on your own teachers.”
After this they left me, wishing me safety in my voyage, and from every misfortune. And I, praying for them, said, “I can wish no better thing for you, sirs, than this, that, recognising in this way that intelligence is given to every man, you may be of the same opinion as ourselves, and believe that Jesus is the Christ of God.”
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Part 1: How True Dialogue Takes Place
ISAIAH 1:18 NKJV: 18 “COME NOW, AND LET US REASON TOGETHER,” SAYS THE L_RD, “THOUGH YOUR SINS ARE LIKE SCARLET, THEY SHALL BE AS WHITE AS SNOW; THOUGH THEY ARE RED LIKE CRIMSON, THEY SHALL BE AS WOOL.”





SHAKESPEARE – MERCHANT OF VENICE Act III. Scene I by John Gilbert, comedy, ‘if you prick us do we not bleed’ speech by Shylock describing the lack of difference in humanity between Jews and Christians. (Photo by Culture Club/Getty Images)
You may wish to LISTEN to Act 3 of The Merchant of Venice:
True dialogue
It is sometimes employed in a narrative way in a play and rendered in a theatrical performance such as in The Merchant of Venice, Hamlet or Macbeth. Philosophic ideas may be explored and expressed, taking on an apologetic approach, while at other times it may be used as a didactic teaching technique. Philosophers such as Socraties and Plato made use of dialogue to share their ideas. It can make use of many different philosophic devices such as rhetoric, polemic and the use of irony, sarcasm and pathos.
The Merchant of Venice
SHYLOCK
“I’ll use it for fish bait. You can’t eat human flesh, but if it feeds nothing else, it’ll feed my revenge. He’s insulted me and cost me half a million ducats. He’s laughed at my losses, made fun of my earnings, humiliated my race, thwarted my deals, turned my friends against me, riled up my enemies—and why? Because I’m a Jew. Doesn’t a Jew have eyes? Doesn’t a Jew have hands, bodily organs, a human shape, five senses, feelings, and passions? Doesn’t a Jew eat the same food, get hurt with the same weapons, get sick with the same diseases, get healed by the same medicine, and warm up in summer and cool off in winter just like a Christian? If you prick us with a pin, don’t we bleed? If you tickle us, don’t we laugh? If you poison us, don’t we die? And if you treat us badly, won’t we try to get revenge? If we’re like you in everything else, we’ll resemble you in that respect. If a Jew offends a Christian, what’s the Christian’s kind and gentle reaction? Revenge. If a Christian offends a Jew, what punishment will he come up with if he follows the Christian example? Of course, the same thing—revenge! I’ll treat you as badly as you Christians taught me to—and you’ll be lucky if I don’t outdo my teachers” (Act 3, Scene 1).”
Politicians often make use of dialogue to share their ideas, such as in the context of a political debate. The Brexit question continues to offer lively interaction between those who voted ‘leave’ and those who voted ‘remain.’ This question promises to give the British people and the European Union members continued cause to air their points of view in lively debate and dialogue for some time.
Dialogue is a spoken or written conversation between two or more people. It is often something that takes place in an informal way with the lively exchange of ideas, while at other times it may take on a more formal approach. This can be in the context of a literary or theatrical form that depicts such an exchange of ideas.
A NOTE TO THE LISTENER: THIS IS NOT A VERBATIM SCRIPT OF THE PODCAST, BUT DOES GIVE THE MAJORITY OF THE TEXT UPON WHICH THE PROGRAMME IS BASED

Dialogue is used in forums such as Question Time the long-running BBC programme hosted by the British presenter David Dimbleby.
This is a good example of how dialogue in a public forum works and at times it is more successful than others. The thing can get out of hand with either other panel members not letting the one speaking share their point of view without interruption and sometimes members of the audience have continued to interrupt the speaker and have been told to leave the venue.
For dialogue to work, there are a number of factors that need to come into play, such as mutual respect, freedom of expression and the open interchange of ideas. Censorship, prejudice, and bias militate against true dialogue from happening. There is little or no place for aggression or giving of offense speech such trading insults, typecasting of others with stereotypes or the use of prejudicial language.
In contrast, good humour and curtsy are a vital component of those participating in a dialogue and all participants need to be a good listener, able to let others share their ideas without interruption or causing distractions to the one who is speaking.Body language, the tone of voice and the general composure of those participating will also contribute to the success or failure of an attempt at dialogue. There are clearly different ways to share and exchange ideas, but these may not be called dialogue in the true sense of the meaning.
A Monologue
Hilary MantelA monologue is a speech delivered by an individual using various literary devices such as those used in a dialogue with the only difference being that it is a single individual speaking. There may or may not be the opportunity to interact with the speaker during question time at the end of the talk. The famous Rieth Lectures are a good example of an expert on a given field of endeavour delivering the lectures. The prominent author Hilary Mantel of Woolf Hall fame gave a recent series on being awarded The Mann Booker Literary Prize.
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A Diatribe
A diatribe is a most unpleasant and unfortunate speech delivered by someone who is often mentally unbalanced or consumed with a pathological hatred. Adolf Hitler is the most famous or should I say ‘infamous’ example of an individual who worked himself up into a frenzy. The particular danger of such a oration is that the phenomena of mass hysteria comes into play and this was particularly the case during the Nazi era, when large sections the German people gave leave to their senses and cast aside all moral decency and constraint and participated in the mass murder of the Jews, often following one a The Nazi rallies.The most terrible Nuremberg Rally is such an example. While Hitler and his cohorts were consumed by hubristic maliciousness in their ‘final solution,’ they couldn’t have succeeded without the mass participation of the German and occupied populations of other European nations, such as the Vichy Government and Marshall Paton and his fellow French compatriots in occupied France.
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“Today I will once more be a prophet. If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!”
—Hitler’s Speech to the Reichstag, January 30, 1941
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Be aware that this clip is an example of 
“Today I will once more be a prophet. If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth and this the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!”
—Hitler’s Speech to the Reichstag
January 30, 1941
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Confutation/ Disputations
DISPUTATIONS
By: Richard Gottheil, Kaufmann Kohler
In order to have a great spectacle to excite the passions of the ignorant masses, John Capistrano, the Franciscan Jew-baiter, arranged in 1450 a disputation at Rome with a certain Gamaliel called “Synagogæ Romanæ magister,” but otherwise very little known (see Vogelstein and Rieger, “Gesch. der Juden in Rom,” 1895, ii. 14).

Disputations of a friendly character were held at the court of Ercole d’Este I. at Ferrara by Abraham Farissol with two learned monks, the one a Dominican, the other a Franciscan, the matter of which is produced in Farissol’s “Magen Abraham” and “Wikkuaḥ ha-Dat” (see Grätz, l.c. ix. 45). In Germany it was the Jewish [convert] Victor of Carben who, under the direction of Herrman, the Archbishop of Cologne, and in the presence of many courtiers, ecclesiastics, and knights, held a disputation with some Jews of the Rhine provinces about 1500, accusing them of blasphemy against the Christian religion; the consequence of this disputation was that the Jews were expelled from the lower Rhine district (ib. lx. 70).
An Eighteenth Century Disputation.Quite different in tone and character were the disputations held by the Jews, both Rabbinites and Karaites, with Christians of various denominations in Poland at the close of the sixteenth century. Here the Jews, untrammeled by clerical or state despotism, freely criticized the various religious sects, and it was considered a difficult task for a Christian to convert a Jew (ib. ix. 456; see Isaac b. Abraham Troki).
Occasionally disputations for conversational purposes were arranged at German courts. One is reported to have taken place at the ducal court of Hanover, about 1700, in the presence of the duke, the dowager-duchess, the princes, clergy, and all the distinguished personages of the city, between Rabbi Joseph of Stadthagen and Eliezer Edzard, who had had been the instigator of the disputation. It ended in the complete victory of the rabbi, who not only counter all the arguments of his antagonist from Scripture and the Midrash but under the full approval of the court declined to answer under oath the question as to which religion was the best. He said: “We condemn no creed based upon the belief in the Creator of heaven and earth. We believe what we have been taught; let the Christians adhere to what they have been taught” (Bloch in “Oesterreichische Wochenschrift,” 1902, p. 785).
(Reference: Regarding the disputations between the rabbis and the Frankists before Bishop Dembowski at Kamenetz in 1757, and before the canon Nikulski at Lemberg in 1759, see Frank, Jacob).

A Dialogue between Justin Martyr and Trypho the Jew

INTRODUCTION
It has been suggested that Justin Martyr actually created this ‘so called’ dialogue between himself and a Jew called Trypho, as someone would create a ‘straw man’ that one could pull apart or burn down, a bit like an effigy of Guy Fawkes that is first carefully made and set a blaze to celebrate the foiling of the ‘gun powder plot’ by English Catholics to destroy the Protestant monarch and his parliament. In this case it was the Jew Trypho who was put up as an opponent of ‘Christ the King’ who Justin sought to win to Christ. Trypho’s supposed arguments were then considered, countered and refuted (confuted).
An analysis of the text dispalys a zealousness on the part of Justin and his approach to Trypho is delievered in a polemical style in which Justin earnestly endeavours to “convert” Trypho to Christ.

This encapsulates the core of what Justin hope to achieve as an Evangelist and he unashamedly shared his faith with Jew and Gentile alike.

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Confutation/ Disputations
DISPUTATIONS
By: Richard Gottheil, Kaufmann Kohler
In order to have a great spectacle to excite the passions of the ignorant masses, John Capistrano, the Franciscan Jew-baiter, arranged in 1450 a disputation at Rome with a certain Gamaliel called “Synagogæ Romanæ magister,” but otherwise very little known (see Vogelstein and Rieger, “Gesch. der Juden in Rom,” 1895, ii. 14).
Disputations of a friendly character were held at the court of Ercole d’Este I. at Ferrara by Abraham Farissol with two learned monks, the one a Dominican, the other a Franciscan, the matter of which is produced in Farissol’s “Magen Abraham” and “Wikkuaḥ ha-Dat” (see Grätz, l.c. ix. 45). In Germany it was the Jewish [convert] Victor of Carben who, under the direction of Herrman, the Archbishop of Cologne, and in the presence of many courtiers, ecclesiastics, and knights, held a disputation with some Jews of the Rhine provinces about 1500, accusing them of blasphemy against the Christian religion; the consequence of this disputation was that the Jews were expelled from the lower Rhine district (ib. lx. 70).
An Eighteenth Century Disputation.Quite different in tone and character were the disputations held by the Jews, both Rabbinites and Karaites, with Christians of various denominations in Poland at the close of the sixteenth century. Here the Jews, untrammeled by clerical or state despotism, freely criticized the various religious sects, and it was considered a difficult task for a Christian to convert a Jew (ib. ix. 456; see Isaac b. Abraham Troki).
Occasionally disputations for conversational purposes were arranged at German courts. One is reported to have taken place at the ducal court of Hanover, about 1700, in the presence of the duke, the dowager-duchess, the princes, clergy, and all the distinguished personages of the city, between Rabbi Joseph of Stadthagen and Eliezer Edzard, who had had been the instigator of the disputation. It ended in the complete victory of the rabbi, who not only counter all the arguments of his antagonist from Scripture and the Midrash but under the full approval of the court declined to answer under oath the question as to which religion was the best. He said: “We condemn no creed based upon the belief in the Creator of heaven and earth. We believe what we have been taught; let the Christians adhere to what they have been taught” (Bloch in “Oesterreichische Wochenschrift,” 1902, p. 785).
(Reference: Regarding the disputations between the rabbis and the Frankists before Bishop Dembowski at Kamenetz in 1757, and before the canon Nikulski at Lemberg in 1759, see Frank, Jacob).
A Dialogue between Justin Martyr and Trypho the Jew
INTRODUCTION
It has been suggested that Justin Martyr actually created this ‘so-called’ dialogue between himself and a Jew called Trypho, as someone would create a ‘straw man’ that one could pull apart or burn down, a bit like an effigy of Guy Fawkes that is first carefully made and set ablaze to celebrate the foiling of the ‘gunpowder plot’ by English Catholics to destroy the Protestant monarch and his parliament. In this case, it was the Jew Trypho who was put up as an opponent of ‘Christ the King’ whom Justin sought to win to Christ. Trypho’s supposed arguments were then considered, countered and refuted (confuted).
An analysis of the text displays a zealousness on the part of Justin and his approach to Trypho is delivered in a polemical style in which Justin earnestly endeavours to “convert” Trypho to Christ.
This encapsulates the core of what Justin hope to achieve as an Evangelist and he unashamedly shared his faith with Jew and Gentile alike.
Though the arguments laid out in the dialogue are lengthy, I will present only a few quotations from Justin’s dialogue with Trypho which will have to suffice and convey a sense of what he endeavoured to communicate. At times it is very direct and hard hitting with the type of language used there is little subtlety in the tone. However, looking beyond what may appear as a harshness, there is a genuine loving concern being expressed by Justin for his ‘friend’ to enable him to see the light.
Justin’s own journey to faith began as a quest for the meaning of life through the work of philosophy. He had been aided by others who pointed him towards God and then he discovered God’s grace in Christ (He came from a pagan background) — [CHAP. I – VII describes that journey].
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*(1)( conversation, dialogue is a colloquy between senators; a high-level serious discussion: or it is a conference between the trial judge and defendant).
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Along the journey he meets Trypho in the public square and they fall into a conversation:
Chap. I—INTRODUCTION
Justin: While I was going about one morning in the walks of the Xystus, a certain man, with others in his company, having met me, and said, “Hail, O philosopher!” And immediately after saying this, he turned round and walked along with me; his friends likewise followed him. And I in turn having addressed him, said, “What is there important?”
And he replied, “I was instructed,” says he “by Corinthus the Socratic in Argos, that I ought not to despise or treat with indifference those who array themselves in this dress but to show them all kindness, and to associate with them, as perhaps some advantage would spring from the intercourse either to some such man or to myself. It is good, moreover, for both, if either the one or the other be benefited. On this account, therefore, whenever I see anyone in such costume, I gladly approach him, and now, for the same reason, have I willingly accosted you; and these accompany me, in the expectation of hearing for themselves something profitable from you.”
“But who are you, most excellent man?” So I replied to him in jest.
Then he told me frankly both his name and his family. “Trypho,” says he, “I am called; and I am a Hebrew of the circumcision, and having escaped from the war lately carried on there I am spending my days in Greece, and chiefly at Corinth.”
“And in what,” said I, “would you be profited by philosophy so much as by your own lawgiver and the prophets?”
“Why not?” he replied. “Do not the philosophers turn every discourse on God? and do not question continually arise to them about His unity and providence? Is not this truly the duty of philosophy, to investigate the Deity?”…
CHAP. VIII.—JUSTIN BY HIS COLLOQUY*(1) IS KINDLED WITH LOVE TO CHRIST.*
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*(2)–[JUSTIN BY HIS COLLOQUY IS MOTIVATED BY LOVE FOR CHRIST]
Justin writes: “When he had spoken these and many other things, which there is no time for mentioning at present, he went away, bidding me attend to them; and I have not seen him since. But straightway a flame was kindled in my soul; and a love of the prophets, and of those men who are friends of Christ, possessed me; and whilst revolving his words in my mind, I found this philosophy alone to be safe and profitable. Thus, and for this reason, I am a philosopher. Moreover, I would wish that all, making a resolution similar to my own, do not keep themselves away from the words of the Saviour… If then, you have any concern for yourself, and if you are eagerly looking for salvation, and if you believe in God, you may— since you are not indifferent to the matter—become acquainted with the Christ of God, and, after being initiated, live a happy life.”
When I had said this, my beloved friends those who were with Trypho laughed; but he, smiling, says, “I approve of your other remarks, and admire the eagerness with which you study divine things;…And you, having accepted a groundless report, invent a Christ for yourselves, and for his sake are inconsiderately perishing.”
CHAP. IX.—THE CHRISTIANS HAVE NOT BELIEVED GROUNDLESS STORIES.
Justin: “I excuse and forgive you, my friend,” I said. “For you know not what you say, but have been persuaded by teachers who do not understand the Scriptures; and you speak,…I shall prove to you as you stand here that we have not believed empty fables, or words without any foundation but words filled with the Spirit of God, and big with power, and flourishing with grace…
“CHAP. X.—TRYPHO BLAMES THE CHRISTIANS FOR THIS ALONE—THE NON-OBSERVANCE OF THE LAW.
And when they ceased, I again addressed them thus:—
“Is there any other matter, my friends, in which we are blamed, than this, that we live not after the law, and are not circumcised in the flesh as your forefathers were, and do not observe sabbaths as you do? Are our lives and customs also slandered among you? And I ask this: have you also believed concerning us, that we eat men; and that after the feast, having extinguished the lights, we engage in promiscuous concubinage? Or do you condemn us in this alone, that we adhere to such tenets, and believe in an opinion, untrue, as you think?”
“This is what we are amazed at,” said Trypho, “but those things about which the multitude speak are not worthy of belief; for they are most repugnant to human nature. Moreover, I am aware that your precepts in the so-called Gospel are so wonderful and so great, that I suspect no one can keep them; for I have carefully read them. But this is what we are most at a loss about: that you, professing to be pious, and supposing yourselves better than others, are not in any particular separated from them, and do not alter your mode of living from the nations, in that you observe no festivals or sabbaths, and do not have the rite of circumcision; and further, resting your hopes on a man that was crucified, you yet expect to obtain some good thing from God, while you do not obey His commandments…”
CHAP. XI.—THE LAW ABROGATED; THE NEW TESTAMENT PROMISED AND GIVEN BY GOD.
Justin: “There will be no other God, O Trypho, nor was there from eternity any other existing” (I thus addressed him), “but He who made and disposed of all this universe. Nor do we think that there is one God for us, another for you, but that He alone is God who led your fathers out from Egypt with a strong hand and a high arm. Nor have we trusted in any other (for there is no other), but in Him in whom you also have trusted, the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob. But we do not trust through Moses or through the law; for then we would do the same for yourselves. But now—(for I have read that there shall be a final law, and a covenant, the chiefest of all, which it is now incumbent on all men to observe, as many as are seeking after the inheritance of God…Isaiah says: ‘Hearken unto Me, hearken unto Me, my people; and, ye kings, give ear unto Me: for a law shall go forth from Me, and My judgment shall is for a light to the nations. My righteousness approaches swiftly, and My salvation shall go forth, and nations shall trust in My arm?’…If, therefore, God proclaimed a new covenant which was to be instituted, and this for a light of the nations, we see and are persuaded that men approach God, leaving their idols and other unrighteousness, through the name of Him who was crucified, Jesus Christ, and abide by their confession even unto death, and maintain piety…”
CHAP. XIV.—RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT PLACED IN JEWISH RITES, BUT IN THE CONVERSION OF THE HEART GIVEN IN BAPTISM BY CHRIST.
Justin: “By reason, therefore, of this laver of repentance and knowledge of God, which has been ordained on account of the transgression of God’s people, as Isaiah cries, we have believed, and testify that that very baptism which he announced is alone able to purify those who have repented; and this is the water of life…And because this is what this new Lawgiver demands of you, I shall again refer to the words which have been quoted by me, and to others also which have been passed over. They are related by Isaiah to the following effect: ‘Hearken to me, and your soul shall live; and I will make with you an everlasting covenant, even the sure mercies of David. Behold, I have given Him for a witness to the people, a leader, and commander to the nations. Nations which know not Thee shall call on Thee; and peoples who know not Thee shall escape unto Thee, because of Thy God, the Holy One of Israel, for He has glorified Thee. Seek ye God; and when you find Him, call on Him, so long as He may be nigh you. Let the wicked forsake his ways, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return unto the Lord, and he will obtain mercy because He will abundantly pardon your sins. For my thoughts are not as your thoughts, neither are my ways as your ways; but as far removed as the heavens are from the earth, so far is my way removed from your way and your thoughts from my thoughts…And the Lord shall be for a name, and for an everlasting sign, and He shall not fail!’ Of these and such like words written by the prophets, O Trypho,” said I, “some have reference to the first advent of Christ, in which He is preached as inglorious, obscure, and of mortal appearance: but others had reference to His second advent, when He shall appear in glory and above the clouds; and your nation shall see and know Him whom they have pierced, as Hosea, one of the twelve prophets, and Daniel, foretold.”
Due to the length and complexity of the dialogue, in Part 2 I will continue to address issues raised in between Trypho and Justin.
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Part 2: True Dialogue of Equals…
Due to the importance of this subject of Dialogue, the next podcast will continue to explore this theme.

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